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Post by soniclight on Apr 29, 2008 0:09:58 GMT -5
Okay, so I had a thought (and please move if you find this has been placed in the incorrect area). I went onto Mystlore and tracked down most, if not all, of the Guild of Caterer's ages in order to discover what their basic ingredients were. Here's what I found: - Shimas: fruits and vegetables
- Hereas: fruits and vegetables
- Er'Duna: grains
- Er'Jerah: grains
- Er'cana: grains
- Teledahn: Mushrooms/Spores, Crustaceans
- Yimas: unknown
- Ahnonay: Quabs
- Livestock has been mentioned by the DRC (specifically Nick White), the Age where it's located is unknown (See post below).
- Eder Gira: Rays(?) Needs verification.
Now Teledahn has to be the most unique one. According to Mystlore, the spores were harvested from the mushrooms and baked into breads for the D'ni elite. One could also assume that the mushrooms themselves were harvested for food as well. Apparently, this harvesting led to the age's resources being used up for a time though. Looking at this list, it doesn't really seem to clarify anything better, but the Teledahn bit is rather informative. I vaguely remember something about a mushroom bread when I was growing up, I'd have to look into it. As for the spores...well that might be substituted for something else. Edit: Found some: The second one might also help with the Maintainer's lunch idea that's been floating about. It has so much stuff in it that it could be a snack within itself.
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Post by Printehr on Apr 29, 2008 11:24:44 GMT -5
It's amazing that you brought this up, as just yesterday I was going to post a list of the known Ages of the original GoCate (Missing from your list is an Age known as Yimas, but as what kind of food it provided is unspecified, it's unimportant).
It's almost certain that the original GoCate had tons of others as well- they potentially had access to an infinite variety of ingredients, seeing as they had unlimited alien and exotic Ages at their disposal. I think for purposes of accuracy however that we should limit ourselves to ingredients we've either seen first hand in MOUL or have at least descriptions of, as with Hereas, Er'Duna, etc.- this list is a good start. ;D
While we don't know what Ages they came from, we know the D'ni ate meat and seafood (or at least fish) as well. What I think we should focus on is in what ways would the D'ni have combined all the ingredients they had access to?
You and Ryuu should collaborate on trying to come up with a suitable mushroom bread recipe- she's been trying to come up with one for a while.
Good sleuthing Soniclight!
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Post by soniclight on Apr 29, 2008 12:31:03 GMT -5
Ah, good eye. I came across Yimas on my first search, but completely forgot to post it when I made the list last night. I put it up for sake of accuracy. I thought the second link sounded pretty tasty. Okay, yeah, it IS mushroom soup, but if they had that many mushrooms to work with I'm sure a soup was made at some point The first one is problematic because it called for dried, ground mushroom and the one I'm thinking of used fresh mushrooms. I'll keep looking though, see if anything else catches my eye. Also, do we know if they had anything like potatoes? I've not seen anything about them, it seems like a filler like that would be helpful. As to the combination of the various ingredients.... That's the problem, I'm always a recipe person. My room mate is the experimenter. He can make some pretty stellar dishes just from imagination. I can't do that as easily, which is really unfortunate given what we're trying to do If I can turn my mindset to a less structured one then I'm in business. Let's see what happens, shall we?
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Post by ryuutenshi on Apr 29, 2008 22:57:37 GMT -5
Hey, Mystlore is still up? I go there and get nothing :\
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Post by soniclight on Apr 29, 2008 23:02:49 GMT -5
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Post by Printehr on Apr 30, 2008 7:52:19 GMT -5
You know what I really miss though? The D'ni Desk Reference.
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Post by soniclight on Apr 30, 2008 9:02:06 GMT -5
You know what I really miss though? The D'ni Desk Reference. I just noticed that the other day, I wish it was still there so I could finish a project. GoG nwo I guess :\
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Post by Printehr on Apr 30, 2008 21:39:57 GMT -5
Also, do we know if they had anything like potatoes? I've not seen anything about them, it seems like a filler like that would be helpful. As to the combination of the various ingredients.... That's the problem, I'm always a recipe person. My room mate is the experimenter. He can make some pretty stellar dishes just from imagination. I can't do that as easily, which is really unfortunate given what we're trying to do If I can turn my mindset to a less structured one then I'm in business. Let's see what happens, shall we? They almost certainly had something like potatoes or rice, but its just speculation, so I wouldn't feel confident creating recipes with them until someone identifies a potato vine or rice paddy in one of the Ages we know the D'ni had access to. And don't worry about difficulties with making new recipes. That's what the Guild is for- with different people looking at the same idea from various perspectives, we can take things in interesting and new directions.
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Post by soniclight on Apr 30, 2008 22:05:18 GMT -5
Here's a thought. It might be far fetched, but I feel it might be do-able. What if a formal letter was drafted to Cyan requesting a little more information about some of the ages we know about? I know that they have a lot on their plate, but I also know that they've been pretty spectacular about answering fan requests in the past. If we sent a request that didn't ask for books of information, something like a little bullet pointed list of some basic items (potatos, grains, or some similarities between what can be found on Earth and the ones on the various Ages) then we might get some good feedback. My hope is that they'd have some things already listed. Cyan strikes me as the kind of team that would definitely have a list of tiny details like that about their creations even if it never made it into the games. And who knows, they might even have some more hints about the chor bakh seeing as the wrote about them in the first place.
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Post by soniclight on Apr 30, 2008 23:32:11 GMT -5
Also: drcarch.thecitadel.nl/communication/other/Hit the "Snippets from Nick" link and read the food section. We have confirmation of livestock I'm still checking out the source, but that means we have something more specific to go on with regards to meat. Edit: I added the text into the post just in case the link is removed. Never can tell when a site will shut down (i.e. D'ni Desk Reference).
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Post by Printehr on May 1, 2008 10:36:59 GMT -5
It's always been my intent to contact RAWA and ask for information on what the D'ni did for food- as you say, just a little background, not books and books of information. It's just that with the closing of the Cavern so recently, it just seems... inconsiderate, to do it right now. He's got enough on his mind right now, you know? I think we should give Cyan a little bit of time, see how the negotiations with Gametap go.
Also, once we get the Chor Bakh recipe tweaked just right, I wanted to send a package of them to Rand and RAWA and the other high-ups at Cyan, as a thank-you for all the immense work that they've done. Once they get them, this'll make it easier to approach them with requests for information, right?
And good catch! We knew they had meat, but the fact that they had livestock Ages means we should be thinking along the lines of domesticated animals. ;D
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Post by soniclight on May 1, 2008 11:09:37 GMT -5
And good catch! We knew they had meat, but the fact that they had livestock Ages means we should be thinking along the lines of domesticated animals. ;D Well thank you And yeah, I totally agree with the time aspect of sending a letter. I didn't mean now by any means. It would take us time to draft the letter anyways. But I was definitely going wait for a better time.
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Post by soniclight on May 27, 2008 17:23:28 GMT -5
Okay, so an interesting tidbit.
I was playing URU the other night and noticed in Sharper's Office (in Teledahn, seems like we have a lot of options from that one alone!) a crustacean type creature on display.
So with that in mind, would it be safe to say that we could add some seafood into our lists? We don't have much for fish currently, but we could at least put crab and lobster for now.
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Post by Printehr on May 31, 2008 0:40:44 GMT -5
Well, we know for a fact that there are fish in the lake in the Cavern... and as there were fish in Riven, and since Gehn tended to copy his phrases out of other Descriptive Books, I think its safe to say the D'ni had fish. The question is, what specific varieties of fish would they have had? I'm a little reluctant to simply substitute tuna for a "D'ni" fish. Any suggestions?
And other than the Teledahn sample, we're aware of the Quabs, so they definitely had crab/lobster analogues. I'd like to hear from the D'ni Zoological Society on whether the rays in Eder Gira are likely to be edible or not, as rays on the Surface are...
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Post by soniclight on May 31, 2008 1:12:15 GMT -5
Well, my roommate and I use a lot of salmon in our recipes. I don't know if we'd find that an acceptable substitute or not. I'm really burned out on tuna, so I wasn't going to suggest that! I forgot about the Quabs. I'll add those to the list. And the rays as a possibility from Gira....
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